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		<title>By: Should Magazines Keep Sending Issues to People Who Unsubscribe? &#124; Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-5380</link>
		<dc:creator>Should Magazines Keep Sending Issues to People Who Unsubscribe? &#124; Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Fortune Small Business bit the dust I wrote about the old school magazine business model: They charge essentially nothing for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4199</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Nethy.</description>
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		<title>By: nethy (netsp)</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4198</link>
		<dc:creator>nethy (netsp)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Adam,

Privacy is a concern when it&#039;s unclear. I think it might be possible to increase targeting without being sleazy or abusive. It&#039;s a matter of making things clear. I see a lot of potential for things like retargetted ads or clever profiling, for example. 

But.. None of this will replace former models. We can&#039;t just expect new revolutionary advertising models as a way of keeping everything else in the magazine (tv, radio, news..) the same. it doesn&#039;t work like that. These will be innovations in advertising. These will probably spill over in to publishing somehow, but they are not for publishing. They are for advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Adam,</p>
<p>Privacy is a concern when it&#8217;s unclear. I think it might be possible to increase targeting without being sleazy or abusive. It&#8217;s a matter of making things clear. I see a lot of potential for things like retargetted ads or clever profiling, for example. </p>
<p>But.. None of this will replace former models. We can&#8217;t just expect new revolutionary advertising models as a way of keeping everything else in the magazine (tv, radio, news..) the same. it doesn&#8217;t work like that. These will be innovations in advertising. These will probably spill over in to publishing somehow, but they are not for publishing. They are for advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4196</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely Bobby.  I really love Inc.  I think they do a perfect job of blending monthly columns that I&#039;m excited to read with great feature stories.  If I could only read one magazine it would definitely be Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely Bobby.  I really love Inc.  I think they do a perfect job of blending monthly columns that I&#8217;m excited to read with great feature stories.  If I could only read one magazine it would definitely be Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4195</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems you&#039;d be more of an Inc. guy anyway, with a little more slant towards techies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems you&#8217;d be more of an Inc. guy anyway, with a little more slant towards techies!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4194</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen - glad to hear that BNET.com has had that much success getting registered users and all of that demo details.  

I do agree - what hasn&#039;t been done is taking the demographic information + the technology and creating innovative relevant ads that really get through to people.  An interesting opportunity for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen &#8211; glad to hear that BNET.com has had that much success getting registered users and all of that demo details.  </p>
<p>I do agree &#8211; what hasn&#8217;t been done is taking the demographic information + the technology and creating innovative relevant ads that really get through to people.  An interesting opportunity for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4193</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carla -

Thanks for replying.  It&#039;s great to hear from someone with so much experience. 

I enjoyed FSB, but it is definitely not in the league of Wired, Inc. or Fast Company.  Those are hands down my favorite magazines. If one of them shut down I&#039;d &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; be upset :)

I did not know that all of those magazines were backed by individuals, or that they were losing that much money.  That doesn&#039;t make me any more optimistic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carla -</p>
<p>Thanks for replying.  It&#8217;s great to hear from someone with so much experience. </p>
<p>I enjoyed FSB, but it is definitely not in the league of Wired, Inc. or Fast Company.  Those are hands down my favorite magazines. If one of them shut down I&#8217;d <em>really</em> be upset <img src='http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I did not know that all of those magazines were backed by individuals, or that they were losing that much money.  That doesn&#8217;t make me any more optimistic!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Howard-Sarin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Howard-Sarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification: I intended to write, &quot;You can’t build a better house for journalism *without* innovation in advertising.&quot; Unfortunately, my clumsy fingers typed the opposite. 

Adam replied that getting better demographic data for targeting was challenging because of privacy concerns. I still think there&#039;s plenty of room for success.

To speak from my own experience, BNET.com has more than 1 million registered users, all with detailed demo data including company size, address, and a double-confirmed email. This registered user base took years of effort to build, but it wasn&#039;t that hard, really. 

We simply build certain types of resources and content for which people were willing to undergo a one-time registration. The content was free, and lots of people are willing to register for free content of value. I suppose that&#039;s not too different than magazines subsidizing a ridiculously low subscription price in order to get people onto their lists.

Also, FWIW, I don&#039;t think targeting is the panacea for what ails online advertising. What online ads lack are impact, and the past several decades have shown that you can get impact in a ton of ways with zero targeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification: I intended to write, &#8220;You can’t build a better house for journalism *without* innovation in advertising.&#8221; Unfortunately, my clumsy fingers typed the opposite. </p>
<p>Adam replied that getting better demographic data for targeting was challenging because of privacy concerns. I still think there&#8217;s plenty of room for success.</p>
<p>To speak from my own experience, BNET.com has more than 1 million registered users, all with detailed demo data including company size, address, and a double-confirmed email. This registered user base took years of effort to build, but it wasn&#8217;t that hard, really. </p>
<p>We simply build certain types of resources and content for which people were willing to undergo a one-time registration. The content was free, and lots of people are willing to register for free content of value. I suppose that&#8217;s not too different than magazines subsidizing a ridiculously low subscription price in order to get people onto their lists.</p>
<p>Also, FWIW, I don&#8217;t think targeting is the panacea for what ails online advertising. What online ads lack are impact, and the past several decades have shown that you can get impact in a ton of ways with zero targeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been in the magazine business for 30 years, on the management side of editorial and business.  I, too, lament the loss of the long form and the backbone of magazine economics being broken, not to mention no clear solution as of yet on how to make up the deficits with online development.  My only quibble is picking a weak magazine like Fortune Small Business as your example.  Its content tends to be regurgitated work that has been done in Inc. magazine years ago.  Of all the business magazines it has always had the least original content and inconsistent quality.  Now we wait... as other business magazines, Forbes, Fortune and Fast Company come to mind immediately...as they totter financially and the question is -- how long will they last in their present form?  But your basic lament is felt by all of us in publishing...and we are all very worried about cutbacks that will ultimately cause a decline in quality and a trend towards just quick hit/newswire publishing. For innovation and entrepreneurship, the first magazine to cover that sector, Inc. magazine, is owned by man that is willing to lose millions, as he also owns Fast Company as well.  But how long can rich men like Mansueto (Inc &amp; Fast Company), Bradley (The Atlantic), Wasserstein RIP (The Deal, New York Magazine), Newhouse (Wired, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, etc.), Forbes ---continue to pour millions into these magazines with mounting losses??  Hopefully a while longer until someone comes up with an economic model that can sustain them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in the magazine business for 30 years, on the management side of editorial and business.  I, too, lament the loss of the long form and the backbone of magazine economics being broken, not to mention no clear solution as of yet on how to make up the deficits with online development.  My only quibble is picking a weak magazine like Fortune Small Business as your example.  Its content tends to be regurgitated work that has been done in Inc. magazine years ago.  Of all the business magazines it has always had the least original content and inconsistent quality.  Now we wait&#8230; as other business magazines, Forbes, Fortune and Fast Company come to mind immediately&#8230;as they totter financially and the question is &#8212; how long will they last in their present form?  But your basic lament is felt by all of us in publishing&#8230;and we are all very worried about cutbacks that will ultimately cause a decline in quality and a trend towards just quick hit/newswire publishing. For innovation and entrepreneurship, the first magazine to cover that sector, Inc. magazine, is owned by man that is willing to lose millions, as he also owns Fast Company as well.  But how long can rich men like Mansueto (Inc &amp; Fast Company), Bradley (The Atlantic), Wasserstein RIP (The Deal, New York Magazine), Newhouse (Wired, New Yorker, Vanity Fair, etc.), Forbes &#8212;continue to pour millions into these magazines with mounting losses??  Hopefully a while longer until someone comes up with an economic model that can sustain them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2009/12/10/another-business-magazine-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4187</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen -

Thanks for the comment.  BNET.com looks very cool...I had not heard of it previously.  I&#039;ll have to spend some more time looking around later.  

You bring up good points about advertising.  I think the technology is close to being able to serve very highly targeted ads, but the hard part is getting the information from the user to serve the ad without inciting privacy scares.  

Maybe something where you can subsidize the cost of your subscription by providing information to the ad network?  I&#039;d do it, but I know a lot of people who are afraid of that stuff...even though it&#039;s happening more and more whether they know about it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen -</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  BNET.com looks very cool&#8230;I had not heard of it previously.  I&#8217;ll have to spend some more time looking around later.  </p>
<p>You bring up good points about advertising.  I think the technology is close to being able to serve very highly targeted ads, but the hard part is getting the information from the user to serve the ad without inciting privacy scares.  </p>
<p>Maybe something where you can subsidize the cost of your subscription by providing information to the ad network?  I&#8217;d do it, but I know a lot of people who are afraid of that stuff&#8230;even though it&#8217;s happening more and more whether they know about it or not.</p>
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