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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/10/09/profitability-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right: Walmart</description>
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		<title>By: nethy</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/10/09/profitability-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>nethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The interesting thing is how much more are they worth…because I do think a lot of companies take this philosophy too far and blindly spend to acquire customers.&quot;

Very true. Fine lines huh?

My personal feeling is: As a rule of thumb, paying for a customer is ok. You won&#039;t go wrong there. Paying for volume. paying for market share, etc. is where the trouble is. 

This is really a technical issue &amp; I think these discussions are better kept at the &#039;high level&#039;.  But if we had smart analytics (Google Analytics is not smart) we&#039;d know where our online customers came from. Small businesses like yours probably have 10 20 customer that make the business. Another 50 pull a bit of weight.  

If analytics &amp; CRM played nice, we could look back at a customers interactions &amp; see how the relationship was built. First sale via Amazon, second via email coupon. Visited a few more times. Bought at a sale. Spoke on the phone. etc. etc. etc. 

It&#039;d still be a challenge to work out how all your campaigns work together. But that&#039;s be valuable info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The interesting thing is how much more are they worth…because I do think a lot of companies take this philosophy too far and blindly spend to acquire customers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true. Fine lines huh?</p>
<p>My personal feeling is: As a rule of thumb, paying for a customer is ok. You won&#8217;t go wrong there. Paying for volume. paying for market share, etc. is where the trouble is. </p>
<p>This is really a technical issue &amp; I think these discussions are better kept at the &#8216;high level&#8217;.  But if we had smart analytics (Google Analytics is not smart) we&#8217;d know where our online customers came from. Small businesses like yours probably have 10 20 customer that make the business. Another 50 pull a bit of weight.  </p>
<p>If analytics &amp; CRM played nice, we could look back at a customers interactions &amp; see how the relationship was built. First sale via Amazon, second via email coupon. Visited a few more times. Bought at a sale. Spoke on the phone. etc. etc. etc. </p>
<p>It&#8217;d still be a challenge to work out how all your campaigns work together. But that&#8217;s be valuable info.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks as always for the very in depth comment Nethy.  

You&#039;re right about the semantics - I was referring to profit margin (rev - COGS). 

&quot;Especially in ecommerce, a customer can be worth more then a sale.&quot;  I think we&#039;ve talked about this a bit before,  but I obviously agree with you 100%.  The interesting thing is how much more are they worth...because I do think a lot of companies take this philosophy too far and blindly spend to acquire customers.  You still need to have positive cash flow to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as always for the very in depth comment Nethy.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the semantics &#8211; I was referring to profit margin (rev &#8211; COGS). </p>
<p>&#8220;Especially in ecommerce, a customer can be worth more then a sale.&#8221;  I think we&#8217;ve talked about this a bit before,  but I obviously agree with you 100%.  The interesting thing is how much more are they worth&#8230;because I do think a lot of companies take this philosophy too far and blindly spend to acquire customers.  You still need to have positive cash flow to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: nethy</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/10/09/profitability-update/comment-page-1/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>nethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adam,

I think arguments against your previous decision were all wrong for one reason or another:

 - What potential investors would think- 
1, that only means something if you&#039;re looking for them. 2, I disagree with the assumption that it hurts your valuation. Companies are valued largely based on their size. 

 - Semantics - 
You said &#039;profitability,&#039; I think you meant margins or grosss profit margin (Revenue - COGS). I never heard you say you took on staff to pay for this, got a bigger warehouse etc. Your fixed expenses stayed the same, your marginal expenses went up. Did your net &#039;profitability&#039; really go down?

 - Reliance on Amazon -
You were warned to not be dependant on amazon or ebay or anything else that could sour. Good advice. But not something to keep you from adding a channel. The opposite, what you did was diversify. 

Finally, I think that they ignore the most important part of the scheme: It&#039;s essentially marketing scheme. One that generate cash instead of sucking it up. 

Especially in ecommerce, a customer can be worth more then a sale. If your marketing process only starts to heat up after the sale, you can lose money on a sale &amp; make it up later. That&#039;s a powerful position. You can outbid anyone. The usual problem, is that a client acquired with a loss leader sale, isn&#039;t worth as much so you can&#039;t win sales by being cheaper &amp; still get this effect. But you can spend more on marketing. 

How many stores never changed the default thank you page? It could be an important page. A very important one. One that you pay to get customer to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam,</p>
<p>I think arguments against your previous decision were all wrong for one reason or another:</p>
<p> &#8211; What potential investors would think-<br />
1, that only means something if you&#8217;re looking for them. 2, I disagree with the assumption that it hurts your valuation. Companies are valued largely based on their size. </p>
<p> &#8211; Semantics &#8211;<br />
You said &#8216;profitability,&#8217; I think you meant margins or grosss profit margin (Revenue &#8211; COGS). I never heard you say you took on staff to pay for this, got a bigger warehouse etc. Your fixed expenses stayed the same, your marginal expenses went up. Did your net &#8216;profitability&#8217; really go down?</p>
<p> &#8211; Reliance on Amazon -<br />
You were warned to not be dependant on amazon or ebay or anything else that could sour. Good advice. But not something to keep you from adding a channel. The opposite, what you did was diversify. </p>
<p>Finally, I think that they ignore the most important part of the scheme: It&#8217;s essentially marketing scheme. One that generate cash instead of sucking it up. </p>
<p>Especially in ecommerce, a customer can be worth more then a sale. If your marketing process only starts to heat up after the sale, you can lose money on a sale &amp; make it up later. That&#8217;s a powerful position. You can outbid anyone. The usual problem, is that a client acquired with a loss leader sale, isn&#8217;t worth as much so you can&#8217;t win sales by being cheaper &amp; still get this effect. But you can spend more on marketing. </p>
<p>How many stores never changed the default thank you page? It could be an important page. A very important one. One that you pay to get customer to.</p>
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