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	<title>Comments on: Productive Output:  What the 9 &#8211; 5 Misses and Why I&#8217;m Done with a 40 Hour Workweek</title>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Has anyone ever included in their cover letters. “I’m looking forward to an under 40 Work-hours a week environment, based on results…” any success with that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve never heard of that approach per-se (I think the company already has to have that in their culture, as opposed to an employee trying to dictate those terms), although I really think it depends on your industry.  If, for instance, you&#039;re a freelance web developer, you can quote by the job and not by your hourly workload, creating a results oriented work environment for yourself.  Along the same lines, I think a lot of companies are willing to hire developers based upon output and not on hours.  I have a family member who worked at a relatively well known tech company and they had no standard work week - your job was to get the work done and no one tracked your hours.  This is obviously an industry I&#039;m familiar with, and  I think there&#039;s some hope there.  There&#039;s probably opportunities in similar industries that I&#039;m unaware of.  That said, there are still plenty where the hourly workweek is still a standard.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of that approach per-se (I think the company already has to have that in their culture, as opposed to an employee trying to dictate those terms), although I really think it depends on your industry.  If, for instance, you&#8217;re a freelance web developer, you can quote by the job and not by your hourly workload, creating a results oriented work environment for yourself.  Along the same lines, I think a lot of companies are willing to hire developers based upon output and not on hours.  I have a family member who worked at a relatively well known tech company and they had no standard work week &#8211; your job was to get the work done and no one tracked your hours.  This is obviously an industry I&#8217;m familiar with, and  I think there&#8217;s some hope there.  There&#8217;s probably opportunities in similar industries that I&#8217;m unaware of.  That said, there are still plenty where the hourly workweek is still a standard.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever included in their cover letters. &quot;I&#039;m looking forward to an under 40 Work-hours a week environment, based on results...&quot; any success with that? I wish I could find something like this. I&#039;m 23 (soon to turn 24) and you have bo idea how frustrated I am already only to realize I&#039;ll be 30 soon and still have not found a passion, and obviosly something I enjoy doing thaat could become a life -$ustaining activity.  I live in Panama, Central America, and you can already imagine the low-pay jobs we got here. Not to mention that employers demand more that what they are willing to pay. nd I just NOT WILLING to bend just because the market demands so. I know there is a healthier living out there that involves working on somthing I like and want to become better at and include it in my life (girlfriend and family).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone ever included in their cover letters. &#8220;I&#8217;m looking forward to an under 40 Work-hours a week environment, based on results&#8230;&#8221; any success with that? I wish I could find something like this. I&#8217;m 23 (soon to turn 24) and you have bo idea how frustrated I am already only to realize I&#8217;ll be 30 soon and still have not found a passion, and obviosly something I enjoy doing thaat could become a life -$ustaining activity.  I live in Panama, Central America, and you can already imagine the low-pay jobs we got here. Not to mention that employers demand more that what they are willing to pay. nd I just NOT WILLING to bend just because the market demands so. I know there is a healthier living out there that involves working on somthing I like and want to become better at and include it in my life (girlfriend and family).</p>
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		<title>By: Is the 20-hour work week a myth &#124; femme-o-nomics.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the 20-hour work week a myth &#124; femme-o-nomics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 01:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] insist that it can be done, at least at certain points in their career. In 2008, entrepreneur Adam McFarland blogged about cutting down on his workload, citing studies that show working fewer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 20:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary -

Thanks for the thoughtful comment.  As you can see by the dates this was a few years ago and unfortunately as our business has grown I haven&#039;t been able to keep my workweek quite as balanced.  In the midst of the growth we hired a full-timer, only to have a partner leave right after.  We&#039;re hiring again soon which should hopefully bring us back down to a more desirable schedule like I had back then (with the benefit of a much better business of course).

The points you bring up are great ones in the larger context of things.  I don&#039;t think most people have put even half of the thought into it that you have.  And unfortunately as technology has improved and we&#039;ve become a 24x7x365 society, we&#039;re seemingly more connected and more busy even though we know research tells us it&#039;s not a good idea.  

On an individual level, in education or in many other careers, I&#039;m sure it can be a challenge.  While I don&#039;t know your individual situation, I do have a few friends who teach at colleges and have as much (probably more) flexibility than I do.  Maybe it&#039;s a matter of finding a better fit at a university that doesn&#039;t have as strict of a 9-5 policy?  

As frustrating as it can be, you&#039;re at least trying and thinking about these things, which will ultimately serve you well.  And if it&#039;s any consolation, even when I feel the most balanced, I never quite feel as though I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;perfectly&lt;/em&gt; balanced - there&#039;s always a guilt associated with whatever I&#039;m not doing.  If I&#039;m working out or spending time outside, I always feel like I should be working.  If I&#039;m working, I feel like I should be spending time with family.  I guess my point is that I&#039;m not sure that a 100% perfect balance is ever really achievable so try not to let it stress you out too much :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary -</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comment.  As you can see by the dates this was a few years ago and unfortunately as our business has grown I haven&#8217;t been able to keep my workweek quite as balanced.  In the midst of the growth we hired a full-timer, only to have a partner leave right after.  We&#8217;re hiring again soon which should hopefully bring us back down to a more desirable schedule like I had back then (with the benefit of a much better business of course).</p>
<p>The points you bring up are great ones in the larger context of things.  I don&#8217;t think most people have put even half of the thought into it that you have.  And unfortunately as technology has improved and we&#8217;ve become a 24x7x365 society, we&#8217;re seemingly more connected and more busy even though we know research tells us it&#8217;s not a good idea.  </p>
<p>On an individual level, in education or in many other careers, I&#8217;m sure it can be a challenge.  While I don&#8217;t know your individual situation, I do have a few friends who teach at colleges and have as much (probably more) flexibility than I do.  Maybe it&#8217;s a matter of finding a better fit at a university that doesn&#8217;t have as strict of a 9-5 policy?  </p>
<p>As frustrating as it can be, you&#8217;re at least trying and thinking about these things, which will ultimately serve you well.  And if it&#8217;s any consolation, even when I feel the most balanced, I never quite feel as though I&#8217;m <em>perfectly</em> balanced &#8211; there&#8217;s always a guilt associated with whatever I&#8217;m not doing.  If I&#8217;m working out or spending time outside, I always feel like I should be working.  If I&#8217;m working, I feel like I should be spending time with family.  I guess my point is that I&#8217;m not sure that a 100% perfect balance is ever really achievable so try not to let it stress you out too much <img src='http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just about cried when I read this.  I want SO. BADLY.  for this to become normal practice.  I&#039;m a recent grad with a masters in Higher Education (so you&#039;d think we&#039;d have this figured out).  I work at a University, and we have busy days during the year, and quiet days depending on the school&#039;s schedule--- and yet we have a standard 9-5. Yuck.

What about personal growth?  I am a family person.  I love to experience life and cook delicious food.  I enjoy a good book or movie. I need to play sports and be active. I want to see other countries and cultures. Where&#039;s my time for that!?

This concept is great for some fields, but may be tougher in a situation like Education.  I&#039;m slowly trying to make changes (working outside the building at a picnic table for an hour or so, leaving a half hour early to run an errand, etc). It&#039;s making me happier, but it isn&#039;t enough.....yet how do you make those types of drastic changes when you&#039;re lower on the totem pole without being scolded?  The excuse &quot;the work is getting done, isn&#039;t it?&quot; can only take you so far.

We know that the 40 hr workweek is a health issue - both physically and mentally. And there&#039;s nothing efficient about it. So. Where do we go from here?  How do we change a habit that&#039;s been in place for decades?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just about cried when I read this.  I want SO. BADLY.  for this to become normal practice.  I&#8217;m a recent grad with a masters in Higher Education (so you&#8217;d think we&#8217;d have this figured out).  I work at a University, and we have busy days during the year, and quiet days depending on the school&#8217;s schedule&#8212; and yet we have a standard 9-5. Yuck.</p>
<p>What about personal growth?  I am a family person.  I love to experience life and cook delicious food.  I enjoy a good book or movie. I need to play sports and be active. I want to see other countries and cultures. Where&#8217;s my time for that!?</p>
<p>This concept is great for some fields, but may be tougher in a situation like Education.  I&#8217;m slowly trying to make changes (working outside the building at a picnic table for an hour or so, leaving a half hour early to run an errand, etc). It&#8217;s making me happier, but it isn&#8217;t enough&#8230;..yet how do you make those types of drastic changes when you&#8217;re lower on the totem pole without being scolded?  The excuse &#8220;the work is getting done, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221; can only take you so far.</p>
<p>We know that the 40 hr workweek is a health issue &#8211; both physically and mentally. And there&#8217;s nothing efficient about it. So. Where do we go from here?  How do we change a habit that&#8217;s been in place for decades?</p>
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		<title>By: Too Busy People &#124; Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too Busy People &#124; Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have worked 8 AM &#8211; 4 PM and taken an hour-long lunch and two 30 minute breaks with the same productive output. They just have to cut out the 2 hour conversations at the water cooler. And the 1 hour spent on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Murlu.  Couldn&#039;t agree more.  It&#039;s been a while since I wrote this post.  Right now we&#039;re working on some big projects so I am working more than 40 hours (although that&#039;s because I want to - what I have to do is certainly less than 40), but as soon as things settle down this summer I plan on going back to this schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Murlu.  Couldn&#8217;t agree more.  It&#8217;s been a while since I wrote this post.  Right now we&#8217;re working on some big projects so I am working more than 40 hours (although that&#8217;s because I want to &#8211; what I have to do is certainly less than 40), but as soon as things settle down this summer I plan on going back to this schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Murlu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 05:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely don&#039;t think the 40 hour work week is for me.

I know you&#039;ll laugh but I&#039;ve been working a 40 hour work week for about 2 years now. Before that it was part time (usually 2 part time jobs so I guess I was working around 40 hours).

What I found out, just as I did in school, was that I could accomplish more by using less time.

When I&#039;m at work, the first 4 hours are my prime period, I get so much done within that scope. The later 4 hours are pretty much dedicated to doing minor tasks, emailing, tweaking and keeping everything running.

I&#039;m sure if we switched to a 20 hour work week we&#039;d accomplish more. People would come in and hammer out their tasks without having the looming &quot;4 extra hours&quot; over their heads.

I think a shorter day also gives us better incentive to work longer as well. If we accomplish everything within that first 4 hours, we could then think how can we improve what we just finish and push it even further. I don&#039;t think you really get that with a full 40 hour work week because it pressures you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely don&#8217;t think the 40 hour work week is for me.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ll laugh but I&#8217;ve been working a 40 hour work week for about 2 years now. Before that it was part time (usually 2 part time jobs so I guess I was working around 40 hours).</p>
<p>What I found out, just as I did in school, was that I could accomplish more by using less time.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m at work, the first 4 hours are my prime period, I get so much done within that scope. The later 4 hours are pretty much dedicated to doing minor tasks, emailing, tweaking and keeping everything running.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if we switched to a 20 hour work week we&#8217;d accomplish more. People would come in and hammer out their tasks without having the looming &#8220;4 extra hours&#8221; over their heads.</p>
<p>I think a shorter day also gives us better incentive to work longer as well. If we accomplish everything within that first 4 hours, we could then think how can we improve what we just finish and push it even further. I don&#8217;t think you really get that with a full 40 hour work week because it pressures you.</p>
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		<title>By: 13 Ways to Find More Time in &#8216;09 &#124; Adam McFarland's Blog - Musings of a Balding 26 Year Old Entrepreneur</title>
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		<dc:creator>13 Ways to Find More Time in &#8216;09 &#124; Adam McFarland's Blog - Musings of a Balding 26 Year Old Entrepreneur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 45 minute pocket of time each night.  A real lot done.  I first realized this in college (see my productive output post), and it changed me from being &#8220;just average&#8221; when it came to getting things done to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 45 minute pocket of time each night.  A real lot done.  I first realized this in college (see my productive output post), and it changed me from being &#8220;just average&#8221; when it came to getting things done to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s a Lifestyle Thing - Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s a Lifestyle Thing - Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Entrepreneurs are lucky because we don&#8217;t need to worry about any of that.  My partners and I have established a culture that allows for us to have maximum freedom while still meeting the requirements of the business.  We each work about 18 hours/week in the warehouse. The rest of the time we&#8217;re free to do whatever we want.  Everyone has their own way of getting shit done, but I prefer to spend about half of that time working from home and the other half at a coffee shop.  I tend to turn off all distractions and zone in on my work so that I have plenty of free time to recharge.  I pretty much am still hitting all of the goals outlined in my productive output post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Entrepreneurs are lucky because we don&#8217;t need to worry about any of that.  My partners and I have established a culture that allows for us to have maximum freedom while still meeting the requirements of the business.  We each work about 18 hours/week in the warehouse. The rest of the time we&#8217;re free to do whatever we want.  Everyone has their own way of getting shit done, but I prefer to spend about half of that time working from home and the other half at a coffee shop.  I tend to turn off all distractions and zone in on my work so that I have plenty of free time to recharge.  I pretty much am still hitting all of the goals outlined in my productive output post. [...]</p>
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