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		<title>By: Amazon Let&#8217;s Us Pay Them to Grow &#124; Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Let&#8217;s Us Pay Them to Grow &#124; Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When you factor in the 15% fee, we&#8217;re barely making money on those listings.  We do it because of the volume &#8211; we can steal sales directly from our competitors, gain access to new customers who buy our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When you factor in the 15% fee, we&#8217;re barely making money on those listings.  We do it because of the volume &#8211; we can steal sales directly from our competitors, gain access to new customers who buy our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-1698</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to be concerned about (not in your example, but what generally does happen) is a price war.  Company 1 brings their price to $79 to compete with company 2.  It keeps happening so that each could get the sales, and then everybody loses their margins.  Sucks :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to be concerned about (not in your example, but what generally does happen) is a price war.  Company 1 brings their price to $79 to compete with company 2.  It keeps happening so that each could get the sales, and then everybody loses their margins.  Sucks <img src='http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Profitability Update - Adam McFarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Profitability Update - Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in April I did a post entitled Thoughts on Pricing and Profitability where I basically pondered the advantages of become a higher volume, lower margin retailer: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Netcan,

Thanks for the insight.  To answer your questions:

&quot;You put in some coupons, do they end up leading to anything? Do you get permission to keep in touch. Do you get participation in your online community? Does the scale you get help you in some way?&quot;

Definitely yes to all of the above.  In addition, it moves more inventory which allows us to negotiate lower rates with our suppliers and with FedEx.

&quot;And if we’re pushing things to extremities, how does this model scale? If you sold 100X as much on Amazon, would it help/hinder your business?&quot;

It would help, but that&#039;s only assuming that I/we automate the process a bit more.  Amazon provides an API so it&#039;s do-able, but right now we&#039;re manually spending an extra 5 minutes with each Amazon order.  I&#039;m already close to pulling the trigger and spending time trying to further automate everything with Amazon and our system, so it&#039;s safe to say that if we hit that pt it would run like a well-oiled machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Netcan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the insight.  To answer your questions:</p>
<p>&#8220;You put in some coupons, do they end up leading to anything? Do you get permission to keep in touch. Do you get participation in your online community? Does the scale you get help you in some way?&#8221;</p>
<p>Definitely yes to all of the above.  In addition, it moves more inventory which allows us to negotiate lower rates with our suppliers and with FedEx.</p>
<p>&#8220;And if we’re pushing things to extremities, how does this model scale? If you sold 100X as much on Amazon, would it help/hinder your business?&#8221;</p>
<p>It would help, but that&#8217;s only assuming that I/we automate the process a bit more.  Amazon provides an API so it&#8217;s do-able, but right now we&#8217;re manually spending an extra 5 minutes with each Amazon order.  I&#8217;m already close to pulling the trigger and spending time trying to further automate everything with Amazon and our system, so it&#8217;s safe to say that if we hit that pt it would run like a well-oiled machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Netcan</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>Netcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the investor the 10m/10k company is worth more then the 100k/10k company. The question is why exactly. I think the answer is &#039;potential&#039;. 

{The 10m/10k company can feasibly become a 10m/500k company without breaking any records.} 

It&#039;s not the extra revenue. It&#039;s the potential. Revenue is an indicator (to the outsider) of potential.

So what is the Amazon sale worth to you, outside of the profit? 
You put in some coupons, do they end up leading to anything? Do you get permission to keep in touch. Do you get participation in your online community? Does the scale you get help you in some way? 

And if we&#039;re pushing things to extremities, how does this model scale? If you sold 100X as much on Amazon, would it help/hinder your business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the investor the 10m/10k company is worth more then the 100k/10k company. The question is why exactly. I think the answer is &#8216;potential&#8217;. </p>
<p>{The 10m/10k company can feasibly become a 10m/500k company without breaking any records.} </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the extra revenue. It&#8217;s the potential. Revenue is an indicator (to the outsider) of potential.</p>
<p>So what is the Amazon sale worth to you, outside of the profit?<br />
You put in some coupons, do they end up leading to anything? Do you get permission to keep in touch. Do you get participation in your online community? Does the scale you get help you in some way? </p>
<p>And if we&#8217;re pushing things to extremities, how does this model scale? If you sold 100X as much on Amazon, would it help/hinder your business?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

I know the feeling - sometimes I start writing and I&#039;m writing a new opinion i&#039;m not sure I agree with but it seems to be working so I run with it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I know the feeling &#8211; sometimes I start writing and I&#8217;m writing a new opinion i&#8217;m not sure I agree with but it seems to be working so I run with it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was (somewhat) intentionally stretching my point a bit - but that&#039;s exactly the reason:  they have the customers and the brand recognition and then can focus on profitability moving forward...much easier in my opinion than running a tiny profitable business that needs to scale.

There&#039;s no &quot;right&quot; answer here, and in truth I don&#039;t always feel the way I did while I was writing this post, but it&#039;s a different way of looking at things that I never considered much previously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was (somewhat) intentionally stretching my point a bit &#8211; but that&#8217;s exactly the reason:  they have the customers and the brand recognition and then can focus on profitability moving forward&#8230;much easier in my opinion than running a tiny profitable business that needs to scale.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;right&#8221; answer here, and in truth I don&#8217;t always feel the way I did while I was writing this post, but it&#8217;s a different way of looking at things that I never considered much previously.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

I have disagree with you on part of this. 

Who wants to buy a company with horrible margins? 

&quot;We have this big company, doing tons of business, with all sorts of employees and a giant infrastructure, but we still haven&#039;t found a way to make more than the guy down the street who has 1/10th the infrastructure and staff&quot;

Now they may be more valuable because they have more potential because they have more customers, brand recognition etc but running a business with low profit margins isn&#039;t something to aim for simply because you have a lot of cash running through the business. One spike on oil prices and you are in the red, while the small guy is still in the black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I have disagree with you on part of this. </p>
<p>Who wants to buy a company with horrible margins? </p>
<p>&#8220;We have this big company, doing tons of business, with all sorts of employees and a giant infrastructure, but we still haven&#8217;t found a way to make more than the guy down the street who has 1/10th the infrastructure and staff&#8221;</p>
<p>Now they may be more valuable because they have more potential because they have more customers, brand recognition etc but running a business with low profit margins isn&#8217;t something to aim for simply because you have a lot of cash running through the business. One spike on oil prices and you are in the red, while the small guy is still in the black.</p>
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		<title>By: OKe</title>
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		<dc:creator>OKe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adam great post. If I was to look at it from a venture capitalist view or a business owner I would pick the first option of spending not so much and making more money. I think it just shows that you are more money management efficient and it also shows that you are pin pointing your market alot better than just through money at everything and seeing what works. 

I can see in your case right now that it is only wise to throw money at all possible money funnels, because you never know unless you try all the choice you can think of. Again great post about how you and your partners are thinking and doing to grow your business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Adam great post. If I was to look at it from a venture capitalist view or a business owner I would pick the first option of spending not so much and making more money. I think it just shows that you are more money management efficient and it also shows that you are pin pointing your market alot better than just through money at everything and seeing what works. </p>
<p>I can see in your case right now that it is only wise to throw money at all possible money funnels, because you never know unless you try all the choice you can think of. Again great post about how you and your partners are thinking and doing to grow your business.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McFarland</title>
		<link>http://www.adam-mcfarland.net/2008/04/14/thoughts-on-pricing-and-profitability/comment-page-1/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McFarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the in-depth comments guys.  I was oversimplifying things a bit:  clearly shopping sites and PPC are just a small portion of the overall marketing plan...but a very important one as we&#039;re getting started and need to move product and draw visibility to the site...as Adam mentioned above.

The long term focus is definitely on quality content and a tight-nit community (which allows you to do a whole new slew of highly focused marketing), but that stuff takes years to build.

One thing I didn&#039;t mention - that we&#039;re starting to do with Detailed Image - is wholesaling.  We have a handful of large wholesale accounts (mostly professional detailers) where margins are lower but they order repeatedly with no work on our part, and when they do place orders they buy 100 of a product and not 2.  

I&#039;m not saying we want to become a middleman (I think we&#039;ve got more to offer than that), but being able to turn over high volumes of product in addition to getting sales direct to consumer is something we overlooked in the past more than I think we should have.  

I guess you can sum everything up by saying:  I/we are starting to see value in doing some higher volume / lower margin business whereas in the past it never entered our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the in-depth comments guys.  I was oversimplifying things a bit:  clearly shopping sites and PPC are just a small portion of the overall marketing plan&#8230;but a very important one as we&#8217;re getting started and need to move product and draw visibility to the site&#8230;as Adam mentioned above.</p>
<p>The long term focus is definitely on quality content and a tight-nit community (which allows you to do a whole new slew of highly focused marketing), but that stuff takes years to build.</p>
<p>One thing I didn&#8217;t mention &#8211; that we&#8217;re starting to do with Detailed Image &#8211; is wholesaling.  We have a handful of large wholesale accounts (mostly professional detailers) where margins are lower but they order repeatedly with no work on our part, and when they do place orders they buy 100 of a product and not 2.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we want to become a middleman (I think we&#8217;ve got more to offer than that), but being able to turn over high volumes of product in addition to getting sales direct to consumer is something we overlooked in the past more than I think we should have.  </p>
<p>I guess you can sum everything up by saying:  I/we are starting to see value in doing some higher volume / lower margin business whereas in the past it never entered our minds.</p>
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